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miles message anything on the radar

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call murder plot which means the contact

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that they were trying to see and a

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certain side the resolution you saw the

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knives look too worried about the radar

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they were good morning from Philadelphia

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and James Dillon for New York this is a

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UFO News Network Sunday I'm Frank

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stalter James in New York and with us

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today from Florida Dave Beatty who's

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been doing a lot of work on getting us

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some more details for us on the Nimitz

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case now good morning Dave hey good

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morning Frank and James great to be here

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I'm glad you invited me to join you

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today yeah absolutely absolutely so Dave

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real quick give us some background on

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how you got into this you're picking up

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some new information about the Nimitz

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case filling in some details that

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sometimes the mainstream media just

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quick little five-minute segments on on

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the story give us some details on that

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if you could sure well a little

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background you know I'm a video producer

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I've been doing that my whole career I

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started my work as a television news

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journalist and I've always had an

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interest in UFOs military aviation

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military history and of course you know

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when I learned about the events that

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were announced in New York Times

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Washington Post and December 16th last

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year I was very excited because I'm like

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that is very interesting that the United

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States government has these films of

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these unidentified flying objects and

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they were filmed by military aviators

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and there was actually a couple of the

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it and it went along with the film that

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had been released of course that was

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from to the Stars and the New York Times

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as well so because of my background as a

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producer I thought wow I'm looking at

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all these facts and reading these

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stories but that would make a really

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cool video you know how am I gonna how

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am I gonna do that I have no funding and

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stories into an animated format so that

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the viewers could then understand kind

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of what was happening it was a

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relatively short thing it happened at

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least the one that was release I think

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that it actually went on a lot longer

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think first hold in fighter sweet calm

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back several years back authored by a

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because it was an industry sort of

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pilots blog not a lot of people knew

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about it but then of course when the

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whole thing came out everyone started

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looking in researched and they found on

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that article which had a lot of details

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stories trying to figure out how I could

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write a script and how I could see if

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there were discrepancies that things

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lined up what match which didn't and

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keep adding those little details and

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figuring out all the units involved you

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know who said who was on the radio who

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said what who was flying the planes so

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that's kind of briefly how I got from

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you know the beginning to what you just

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saw a little teaser of what I'm doing

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right absolutely now one of the things

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that you found out that I am Not sure

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has been reported anywhere else is that

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they were during this main incident

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that's getting talked about a lot

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obviously commander flavor David flavor

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is been very upfront and very open about

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talking about this but the and then is a

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weapon system officer I believe is the

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right term Jim sleight or slate has also

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done at least one interview that I'm

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aware of but there was another jet and

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the person piloting that jet was a lady

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each people have not all gone on the

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record in fact it's been you know told

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to me that some of them don't want to

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talk about it you know rightly so as you

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sometimes there's stigma attached to it

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if you report something you can't

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explain a UFO it could damage your

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career in reputation people don't have

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anything to do with it they just block

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that part of their life off you know and

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wrote it write it off now what I what I

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found out as far as the the people that

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came forward and talked about it

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there were - and these are heroes by the

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way these are American aviator heroes

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that fought in the first Gulf War you

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can see some of that if you ever go back

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and watch PBS is series called carrier

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in fact David flavor plays a big role in

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that documentary series it's very

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entertaining and I learned a lot about

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what these men and women do on these

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naval vessels well what I found out is

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in the f-18 Super Hornet Jets that they

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have the pilot in command and he flies

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the jet and in the back seat you have

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radar systems the weapon systems they

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onboard radar so as far as the Jets that

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took off that day that encountered this

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object called they call it the tic-tac

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you'll see commander for a verb describe

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what they eventually saw but when they

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took off that day there were two jets

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wingman so you have to realize that in

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that flight of jets there's going to be

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four pilots so to speak there's the lead

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wingman jet that goes along and that has

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what we learned based on the pilots that

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came forward was that in the wingman jet

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said I was the wingman and that was a

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former lieutenant commander he's a

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commander now or was retired

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he was the wingman in fact I reached out

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to him via email and eventually he got

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the email he responded to me very

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cordially and friendly and said that you

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know hey Dave yes I wanted to let you

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know that I was the wingman and I'm

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excited for the project looking forward

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to seeing it and he said you know if you

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need me to describe the tic-tac at all

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let me know Italy but he hasn't

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responded to any more questions I asked

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him because more importantly I wanted to

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know hey I have some research that says

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that the wingman of David framers flight

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the pilot was a woman a female he didn't

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respond but I can tell you where I got

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that information and how it progressed

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it's kind of interesting you remember

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suite article with Paco well Paco is a

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maybe former Navy fighter pilot also a

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hero he flew the Grumman f-14 tomcat

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Hornets on the carriers so he knew the

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pilots and he knew Dave braver he's a

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good friend of Dave flavour and he wrote

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this article so I'm reading the article

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and just one sentence in that article

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says something to the effect when

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talking about Dave's wingman it says she

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and her weapon system officer were

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ordered into hi passing cover meaning

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the lead plane the lead jet with

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commander flavor he said over the radio

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you know to the other jet hey I'm gonna

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I'm gonna go check this out you guys

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stay in high pass and cover and then so

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Paco reports that she and her weapons

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system officer were put in hi passing

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cover so I put that out there on the

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internet I'm like hey no one else said

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anything about this in fact everyone was

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saying that you know Jim slate was the

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pilot he was the wingman well

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apparently there's both of them are the

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wingman because it's one jet it's called

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the wingman the jet is so both pilots in

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there are wingmen I got ahold of Paco

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and I questioned them in fact um I can I

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can read a little of that conversation

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if you want sure absolutely

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so here's how it went and this was on

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I said hey Paco can you help me with

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something about this article x-files

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edition infighter sweep you refer to

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commander Dave flavors wingman as her

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quote they put fast Eagle 2 into high

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cover Sheehan and her wizzo witnessed

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the events from perfect vantage points

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wasn't it Lieut a nerd lieutenant

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commander Jim slate David flavors

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wingman on that day thanks and then he

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responds his wingman was a female the

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two weapons system officers male so they

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wrote hey thanks a lot of respect that

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people do not want to come forward

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understood sir everything is telling me

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that the former lieutenant commander Jim

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Slade was you know the wingman on that

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day and everyone was sank telling me

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that I have it wrong in fact what they

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were telling me is it listen hey do you

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remember how back in World War two

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bomber pilots would name their plane

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women you know like um I'm trying to

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think of an example but I know there's a

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couple documentaries about those b-17

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bombers and they would paint women on

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they named their plane women and they

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referred to him in that gender almost

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it's her and that everyone was saying no

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today have you got it wrong the jet is a

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girl they're calling the jet that's what

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but I still I mean when you really look

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at that quote it doesn't make sense that

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they were talking about a jet and the

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first person or something that seems it

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seemed odd so anyone I wrote to Paco I

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said everyone told me I was full of it

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but I respect you jet drivers yeah my

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greatest respect Thanks and then he

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wrote bad all I can tell you is that the

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other pilot was a female the two weapons

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system officers were male I'm sure my

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facts and I just had lunch with Dave a

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couple weeks ago and he talked about all

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the details nairo just to confirm i'm

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emailed commander slate and

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to ask and he said hey Dave I was Dave

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framers wingman for the Tic Tac incident

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in 2004 I was a lieutenant commander

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Department had in the black aces at the

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time and I retired as a commander in

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2013 and so then Paco says hey from what

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Dave told me she will never come forward

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she has zero interest in being involved

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she was quite wigged out by the incident

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just so you know our kind doesn't deal

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in misdirection or subterfuge if we

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don't want you to know something

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we just won't tell you and so then I

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wrote that's what I thought I told

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respect that

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hats off to you of your kind very few

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can do what you guys do in even fewer

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gals and make it look easy a few of the

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few and a few of the few would ever go

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on the record about a UFO he wrote that

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perhaps he was the weapons system

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officer pilot was a female so anyways

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that is kind of went on for a few times

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and I mean I believed him you know what

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do you guys think

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how many excellent finds attention to

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detail yeah I have no reason not to

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believe I'm absolutely and there's no

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question in a couple of the other videos

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you definitely hear a female voice in

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there so there's no reason to think that

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there wouldn't have been one there

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especially Paco saying this well why not

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or why wouldn't it be the case right I

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said he a private day at direction he he

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had lunch with Dave and if you go back

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and look at all the news article than

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your tie and everything it said that you

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know Jim slate was the winger but again

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you have to realize in little circle of

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jots there's gonna be one other person

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that has not come forward apparently

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according to Paco he was a guy he would

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have been the back cedar and for Dave's

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jet so there's a guy there has never

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spoken about this incident and then of

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course the female and in the front of

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the wingman Jack I have no I don't you

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know want to bring someone out of the

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closet or somebody you know name names I

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don't even care really I just I'm doing

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a video so I have to have I mean it'd be

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nice to know but I have to have the

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voices correct if it's a girl talking on

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the radio then you know that's kind of

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important but so anyways

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you know putting all this together it's

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so cool because right now you know you

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heard a little of my lick scratch track

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working on the radio communications it's

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really interesting there's another jet

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involved and your viewers are gonna find

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this kind of interesting if you follow

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the subject

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there was a Lieutenant Colonel Douglas

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Kurth and he actually was on the scene

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he was from the marine Marine Corps

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Fighter Squadron the Marine Corps

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Fighter Squadron

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I forget the unit number but they had

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been deployed to Nimitz to do training

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exercises onboard a carrier

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I think it's interdisciplinary training

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where you would have Marine Corps Air

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Training with naval aviators on carriers

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so they have proficiency that's why he

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was there and he was in the air I think

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even you know while Dave flavor and

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stuff we're just taking off and he

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vectored to this area first and actually

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saw the white undersea object so he

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observed that from his altitude you know

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tens of thousands of feet in the air and

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he reported that and talked the USS

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Princeton that was sort of controlling

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them and he was there until Dave framers

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to jet flight arrived on the location

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and then they you know directed him back

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to home base or the carrier to land I

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know some researchers have tried to

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contact him and talk to him in fact I

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think one of them even did a Freedom of

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Information Act and received a whole

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bunch of documents that he ended up

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because he was the commander of that

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unit ended up presenting to them and

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that can be found on the nycap website

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if anyone's interested in that those

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documents provided by command commander

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Kurth or Lieutenant Colonel Kirk so

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going forward on that track I know I was

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kind of asking about that and I did a

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little research if you just google that

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I found out that he has an interesting

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career track in fact he's a hero as well

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and currently he's I believe an f-35 you

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know fighter

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instructor pilot so our most top

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advanced multi-role fighter jet he's one

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of the instructors now but before that

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and directly after he left the the

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Marine Corps job that he had he want to

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work with big a little aerospace and so

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he he worked for Bigelow I think I

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forget the years like 2008 through you

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know whatever and he was one of their

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their managers and that he said that he

401
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was in charge of all the scientists he

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was running that department so and that

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was the reason he told one of the

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investigators that he couldn't talk

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about the incident that occurred often

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limits because of an NDA or a prior

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employer employment agreement that he

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had in place so that's an interesting

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fact as well because we know that

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Bigelow Aerospace during that time was

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running a lot of programs from the

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advanced aerospace threat identification

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program so that's another little little

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tidbit

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that relates to the other two videos the

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video related to the Nimitz case is

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called the FLIR video and the other two

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are the gimbal video and the go-fast

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video and they seem to be based on a

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number that is on the right side well

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there are some other reasons too the

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same voice that exclaims my gosh is on

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both videos and there's also a number on

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the right side of the readout that is

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1688 now initially someone was saying

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that they thought that was a flight

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number or a sortie number that you're

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saying or someone has said that is not

429
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the case that that relates to the

430
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infrared frequency is measured in

431
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nanometers 1688 that's something that

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that particular device that that the

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infrared device the tracking system uses

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and maybe can go into some more details

435
00:20:45,810 --> 00:20:43,660
about that okay so let's talk about this

436
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for a second because the news media got

437
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the videos wrong a lot of times the

438
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general public doesn't know and when

439
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they're doing interviews like live you

440
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know thing even like this you could be

441
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playing a video I don't see what you're

442
00:21:01,170 --> 00:20:59,230
playing over my talking okay well just

443
00:21:04,020 --> 00:21:01,180
just to tell you what I've got now is a

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frame grab from the video that looks

445
00:21:09,390 --> 00:21:06,070
like it's focused in on that particular

446
00:21:14,210 --> 00:21:09,400
device okay yes so what that device is

447
00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:14,220
it's called the asq 2 to 8 at FLIR and

448
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these devices forward-looking infra-red

449
00:21:23,310 --> 00:21:21,210
are mounted on the other side of the jet

450
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you know when they're needed they're not

451
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there all the time

452
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in all the videos that were released the

453
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video came from this asq 2 to 8 at FLIR

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I think it's Raytheon that manufactures

455
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that device yes that is correct

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these devices are mainly used as you

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would call it a infrared targeting pod

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and these targeting pods are used for

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dropping laser-guided bombs and

460
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attacking ground targets like tanks and

461
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fixed structures from altitude so the

462
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pilots use these as an infrared sighting

463
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and targeting device the devices have

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built in a laser and the laser can be

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used for tracking spotting objects in

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the ground for instance you could fire

467
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the laser and if you had a target

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designated being tracked that laser is

469
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going to reflect off that target

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allowing a laser-guided bomb to attack

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the target you know so that's how the

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laser comes into use in these devices as

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far as you know what we found looking at

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the three videos we don't think that

475
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lasers were involved we don't think they

476
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were lazing because there's symbology

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that would appear on the display namely

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a flashing L meaning laser firing so we

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didn't see that so

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don't think that they were actively

481
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using the laser there's two modes of

482
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lazing one is called a laser spot

483
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tracker I think and that's like like I

484
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said where you point it at an object and

485
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if that's all it does and there's

486
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another one called the the target

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designator and Ranger in that way the

488
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laser is functioning as a ranging device

489
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in providing distance to target

490
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information to the pilot so it's

491
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actually giving the range of that object

492
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that you're hitting with a laser okay

493
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and not to interrupt but when you talk

494
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about like a rangefinder you talking

495
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about not dissimilar to a range finder

496
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you might be exactly what you'd go

497
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golfing that kind of thing that's

498
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exactly what it is it's a rangefinder so

499
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it can be used as a rangefinder as well

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as you know you marking a target to

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attack the numbers that you see there I

502
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think the 1688 or whatever it was I

503
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believe in the other experts that I

504
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:52,559
talked to say that that is a laser code

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it's in an encrypted code that allows

506
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other planes and other units to see that

507
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laser and track it and bomb it and I

508
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think that what I understood was that

509
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particular number that code based on the

510
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people that fly simulators and stuff is

511
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sort of a I think it was a NATO or JTAC

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or one of these overriding air command

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frequencies and it was it was sort of

514
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that frequency meaning you can't fire a

515
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weapon on this frequency it's like you

516
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know that's a frequency up today don't

517
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bomb this you know and it may just be

518
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that when you turn the unit on and fire

519
00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:38,830
it up it just defaults to that frequency

520
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so we don't think that that is a

521
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particular aircraft number so to speak

522
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so and just to clear up another thing

523
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:52,000
when we look at the videos with for

524
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instance the nimitz video the FLIR one

525
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video

526
00:25:01,470 --> 00:24:58,720
commander flavor and jim slate in that

527
00:25:04,380 --> 00:25:01,480
flight that that video is based on they

528
00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:04,390
didn't film the FLIR one video that

529
00:25:07,350 --> 00:25:05,260
occurred

530
00:25:09,180 --> 00:25:07,360
two words after they had landed and a

531
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second flight of Jets who we have no

532
00:25:13,530 --> 00:25:11,620
idea who those pilots are they went up

533
00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:13,540
because when they landed commander

534
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:16,150
flavor said hey put in a FLIR on your

535
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:17,650
guys flight and get some pictures of

536
00:25:20,370 --> 00:25:18,220
that thing

537
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so that's where that originated from

538
00:25:24,450 --> 00:25:22,810
okay got it all right well there's

539
00:25:27,270 --> 00:25:24,460
another little piece of the puzzle that

540
00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:27,280
I was not aware of so we certainly

541
00:25:32,940 --> 00:25:29,740
appreciate that James what have you got

542
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:32,950
for Dave yeah and I had heard the

543
00:25:38,250 --> 00:25:35,170
controversy about the video footage not

544
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:38,260
being from actually from flavors jet so

545
00:25:43,790 --> 00:25:39,730
that is definitely interesting

546
00:25:46,410 --> 00:25:43,800
but so do only details on the instrument

547
00:25:48,990 --> 00:25:46,420
well two weeks prior to the incident

548
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:49,000
occurring they were allegedly tracking

549
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:51,130
these or at least to take that objects

550
00:25:58,140 --> 00:25:55,840
on radar mm-hmm yeah so that was in I

551
00:26:01,170 --> 00:25:58,150
believe several of the reports including

552
00:26:03,930 --> 00:26:01,180
fighters week and they talked about the

553
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:03,940
USS Princeton has a radar system on it

554
00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:06,280
it's like an array radar it doesn't even

555
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:07,900
spin around it's just on the side of a

556
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:11,140
jet a big giant array doesn't move but

557
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:12,970
it's so sensitive that they were able to

558
00:26:19,740 --> 00:26:16,720
pick up this object coming in from like

559
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,750
some super altitude like 80,000 feet

560
00:26:25,890 --> 00:26:22,210
dropping down to the surface of the

561
00:26:28,260 --> 00:26:25,900
ocean in like in a number of seconds so

562
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,270
that was kind of one of the first things

563
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:30,640
that prompted them to send and vector

564
00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:34,210
other units out to that area

565
00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:36,040
so it had been going on for quite the

566
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:38,980
wild now I could tell you that I'm

567
00:26:43,770 --> 00:26:40,870
working with some of the people in the

568
00:26:45,290 --> 00:26:43,780
scientific Coalition for youth ology to

569
00:26:48,980 --> 00:26:45,300
give them a little plug here who are

570
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:48,990
investigating this scientifically and

571
00:26:56,190 --> 00:26:53,110
independently they they are all working

572
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:56,200
on separate parts of this just to jump

573
00:27:00,180 --> 00:26:58,000
in Dave real quick is that the Robert

574
00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:00,190
Powell's group that's correct yeah Oh

575
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:02,680
con they have a website and I don't

576
00:27:06,930 --> 00:27:05,110
really know all the members and I'm just

577
00:27:08,460 --> 00:27:06,940
helping a little bit on the side to be

578
00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:08,470
honest with you I'm not a member of that

579
00:27:15,630 --> 00:27:09,910
group but I am helping them a little bit

580
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:15,640
and I did see I did see the deck log for

581
00:27:19,310 --> 00:27:18,370
the Nimitz which was acquired through a

582
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Freedom of Information

583
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:22,530
act and I believe it covered

584
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:24,690
a few days on either end of that event

585
00:27:29,300 --> 00:27:26,850
it didn't go back you know two weeks or

586
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:29,310
whatever and looking through the deck

587
00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:31,890
log of the entire day there's no mention

588
00:27:38,750 --> 00:27:35,070
of anything odd going on and in fact you

589
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,760
know when you look at the the the

590
00:27:42,890 --> 00:27:41,460
command of that aircraft carrier on the

591
00:27:45,770 --> 00:27:42,900
bridge so to speak there

592
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:45,780
noting course changes in speed and when

593
00:27:48,770 --> 00:27:47,070
the commander is on the deck and

594
00:27:51,170 --> 00:27:48,780
everything they see from the bridge they

595
00:27:54,770 --> 00:27:51,180
see you know an odd object or something

596
00:27:57,290 --> 00:27:54,780
but there's no mention on the Nimitz

597
00:27:58,910 --> 00:27:57,300
death log of anything out of the

598
00:28:00,740 --> 00:27:58,920
ordinary going on and kind of looked

599
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:00,750
through it pretty pretty good so I want

600
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:03,960
to make that point the other point you

601
00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:06,330
know with that app FLIR and stuff is

602
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:08,840
that the other two videos that we have

603
00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:13,710
as you know were from 2015 so you know

604
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,180
many many years later you know a whole

605
00:28:22,490 --> 00:28:20,940
different situation there and the the

606
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:22,500
media oftentimes is playing the wrong

607
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:24,210
video so they were playing a video that

608
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:27,600
was filmed like in another ocean in 2015

609
00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:29,730
and then talking about the nimitz event

610
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,540
from 2004 there's just a confusion and

611
00:28:38,150 --> 00:28:35,520
being a former journalist i know how

612
00:28:40,190 --> 00:28:38,160
that happens on you know there's b-roll

613
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:40,200
so to speak they have this video look

614
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,810
it's a UFO you know and these plastered

615
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:44,340
up there like wallpaper over the

616
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:46,050
interview without ever even you know

617
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:48,270
realizing that this is like a something

618
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:50,010
that happened like a decade later you

619
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:53,250
know and then people say there's some

620
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,440
conspiracy oh you can see the you know

621
00:28:59,060 --> 00:28:57,720
they're playing this video well and in

622
00:29:01,540 --> 00:28:59,070
the people that are talking don't

623
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:01,550
correct them so they're trying to

624
00:29:06,020 --> 00:29:04,380
hopefully somebody but i don't think

625
00:29:08,420 --> 00:29:06,030
they even know about it's like added

626
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,430
later or like i said you know they can't

627
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:09,840
see what's on the screen so there's

628
00:29:15,170 --> 00:29:13,380
talking about the tic tac and yet this

629
00:29:17,450 --> 00:29:15,180
other footage is playing from a decade

630
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:17,460
later you know gotta the gimbal footage

631
00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:21,120
yeah that happened over and over so now

632
00:29:25,730 --> 00:29:23,550
a lot of it is time constraints these

633
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:25,740
yeah they're trying to squeeze a lot of

634
00:29:30,290 --> 00:29:28,410
very dense complicated information into

635
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:30,300
five or six minutes and there's just no

636
00:29:36,380 --> 00:29:31,530
way you can do that

637
00:29:37,700 --> 00:29:36,390
no and it's also how exciting it is as

638
00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:37,710
an editor I know that when I'm looking

639
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:39,390
at some footage I look at the FLIR it's

640
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:41,640
like this little dot you know doesn't

641
00:29:44,660 --> 00:29:43,050
move and then I look at this other

642
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:44,670
footage it looks kind of similar but wow

643
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:46,410
that's cool you know like any guy that

644
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:49,260
are talking and X you know in the

645
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:50,970
background you have the audio oh my gosh

646
00:29:54,110 --> 00:29:52,350
or whatever look at there's a whole

647
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:54,120
fleet of my man you know bro what is

648
00:29:59,120 --> 00:29:57,090
that dude yeah so they're like that's

649
00:30:02,390 --> 00:29:59,130
better footage I'm using that it's just

650
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:02,400
a momentary decision but of course it

651
00:30:08,540 --> 00:30:05,910
wasn't the right footage you know yeah

652
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:08,550
now also the I'm not sure if it was the

653
00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:09,750
tech tech I think it was a gimbal

654
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:11,940
footage people were saying that that was

655
00:30:19,700 --> 00:30:15,060
released like in 2007 on reddit is that

656
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:19,710
true I am not aware of that um I mean

657
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:24,510
I'm aware of the release of the FLIR one

658
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:27,810
video and there is somewhat of a

659
00:30:33,740 --> 00:30:30,570
conspiracy theory idea based on what

660
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:33,750
happened I think that that appeared on

661
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:37,140
YouTube maybe around 2008 or something

662
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:39,000
and it also appeared on this obscure

663
00:30:45,650 --> 00:30:43,170
german website called vision unlimited

664
00:30:48,140 --> 00:30:45,660
and vision unlimited was this website

665
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:48,150
being used by well people that do

666
00:30:54,260 --> 00:30:50,490
visuals facts in 3d animation like i'm

667
00:30:55,550 --> 00:30:54,270
doing and the the video appeared on one

668
00:30:57,980 --> 00:30:55,560
of their servers I'm not sure how

669
00:30:59,960 --> 00:30:57,990
someone found found it but then it

670
00:31:03,830 --> 00:30:59,970
disappeared but it was there for a while

671
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:03,840
and of course the the conspiracy would

672
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:07,130
be hey like that video is not real of

673
00:31:12,860 --> 00:31:09,930
FLIR one the Nimitz stave freighter

674
00:31:15,770 --> 00:31:12,870
encounter and so on that's a fake video

675
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:15,780
made by computer graphics students and

676
00:31:21,380 --> 00:31:19,200
this German yeah and so the whole story

677
00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:21,390
is thrown out the Dave flavours lying

678
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:23,670
the government's lying everything that's

679
00:31:29,690 --> 00:31:26,610
a big lie to cover something up which

680
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,700
you know I don't know maybe there's some

681
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:31,200
other explanation of how that ended up

682
00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:34,650
there maybe you the person anonymously

683
00:31:40,790 --> 00:31:37,800
posting it had some reason to put it on

684
00:31:42,650 --> 00:31:40,800
that German web site I don't know yeah

685
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,660
but I don't know about the reddit when I

686
00:31:46,489 --> 00:31:44,460
never heard that

687
00:31:47,810 --> 00:31:46,499
yeah I could have that wrong - I thought

688
00:31:50,509 --> 00:31:47,820
I could have sworn I heard somebody say

689
00:31:58,720 --> 00:31:50,519
the disorders of Reese but I did hear

690
00:32:01,460 --> 00:31:58,730
the German website and yeah now also the

691
00:32:03,499 --> 00:32:01,470
when you were investigating all this a

692
00:32:06,109 --> 00:32:03,509
tip stuff you did come across a big law

693
00:32:10,009 --> 00:32:06,119
and did you come also come across an

694
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:10,019
AIDS or Beth no I mean the only thing

695
00:32:15,649 --> 00:32:12,210
that I did find you know I mean I still

696
00:32:18,259 --> 00:32:15,659
I follow all that stuff online it's very

697
00:32:22,460 --> 00:32:18,269
interesting how the government basically

698
00:32:25,999 --> 00:32:22,470
was using subcontractors you know

699
00:32:29,239 --> 00:32:26,009
Bigelow Aerospace and the funding for a

700
00:32:30,850 --> 00:32:29,249
tip that was set up and you know the

701
00:32:35,029 --> 00:32:30,860
funding that went to Bigelow Aerospace

702
00:32:38,659 --> 00:32:35,039
obviously going back before that time

703
00:32:42,019 --> 00:32:38,669
you had needs going on in the

704
00:32:44,210 --> 00:32:42,029
investigation of skinwalker ranch which

705
00:32:46,700 --> 00:32:44,220
I believe that he privately funded knits

706
00:32:49,609 --> 00:32:46,710
I think I mean I could be wrong about

707
00:32:51,289 --> 00:32:49,619
that but a whole other you know thing

708
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:51,299
very interesting how this stuff ties

709
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:53,730
together and I know you guys are going

710
00:32:58,730 --> 00:32:55,860
to be talking a little bit about meta

711
00:33:00,409 --> 00:32:58,740
materials and so on and when you start

712
00:33:02,869 --> 00:33:00,419
like putting the pieces together to the

713
00:33:06,259 --> 00:33:02,879
stuff you're like okay Nimitz and you

714
00:33:09,019 --> 00:33:06,269
had Douglas Kurt the fighter pilot Wow

715
00:33:11,749 --> 00:33:09,029
then he went to work for big a little

716
00:33:13,460 --> 00:33:11,759
aerospace and then you have skinwalker

717
00:33:15,710 --> 00:33:13,470
ranch and you have these meta materials

718
00:33:19,100 --> 00:33:15,720
that are being stored at Bigelow

719
00:33:21,529 --> 00:33:19,110
Aerospace and you know there's still

720
00:33:24,609 --> 00:33:21,539
some some really murky stuff there but

721
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:24,619
it seems to all tie together in some way

722
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:28,289
yeah Jeremy Korbel had said that in the

723
00:33:32,869 --> 00:33:30,450
skinwalker ranch documentary that he's

724
00:33:34,820 --> 00:33:32,879
doing that the hunter skinwalker that

725
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:34,830
there's gonna be information there that

726
00:33:42,769 --> 00:33:40,049
talks about what led into a tip so

727
00:33:44,810 --> 00:33:42,779
that's actually know as well I mean how

728
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:44,820
do you connect those that's gonna be

729
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:48,090
pretty interesting well what's it I mean

730
00:33:55,609 --> 00:33:51,919
didn't he say that there was an a

731
00:33:58,549 --> 00:33:55,619
government intelligence participation at

732
00:34:01,460 --> 00:33:58,559
skinwalker ranch you know why is

733
00:34:04,310 --> 00:34:01,470
our government intelligence working with

734
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:04,320
Bigelow Aerospace at this remote rant

735
00:34:11,059 --> 00:34:06,450
what's there that would prompt that you

736
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,069
know exactly well I've got a clue a

737
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,159
little bit later on as far as the the

738
00:34:18,319 --> 00:34:16,440
metamaterials go I don't know if I you

739
00:34:20,210 --> 00:34:18,329
could probably go to our live stream

740
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:20,220
there's about a 10 second delay and

741
00:34:23,899 --> 00:34:22,230
you'll be able to see some of the slides

742
00:34:26,419 --> 00:34:23,909
that I'm gonna put up related to that

743
00:34:28,309 --> 00:34:26,429
and if you want to go ahead and do that

744
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:28,319
like I said there's about a 10 second

745
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:31,079
delay between what we're talking about

746
00:34:34,579 --> 00:34:32,730
in the moment as compared to what you

747
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:34,589
see up on YouTube but you'll be able to

748
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:36,089
see those slides if you do want to play

749
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:38,520
along oh great yeah I'm really

750
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:41,010
interested and I just wanted to go back

751
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:42,569
and talk about the film that I'm making

752
00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:43,919
because people might say like what is

753
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:46,139
this film where's it gonna be shown or

754
00:34:50,359 --> 00:34:48,450
whatever and I wanted to let everyone

755
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:50,369
know that look I'm just doing this like

756
00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,060
on the side like after work and I'm not

757
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:56,040
being paid to do it

758
00:35:00,800 --> 00:34:58,290
and I'm just basically gonna put this

759
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:00,810
together and put it out there in the

760
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:03,750
community two stars Kadim ii was kind

761
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:05,970
enough to let me use david flavors

762
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:07,950
interview that you saw and that in that

763
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,210
video and you can also see it on their

764
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:12,180
web site which really lends you know

765
00:35:17,300 --> 00:35:15,900
credibility to the account so once this

766
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,310
film is done i don't know how long it's

767
00:35:21,290 --> 00:35:19,200
going to take me to to put it all

768
00:35:23,930 --> 00:35:21,300
together and do all the voices and so on

769
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:23,940
well once it's done you know it will be

770
00:35:28,309 --> 00:35:25,609
out there you'll be able to find it

771
00:35:33,230 --> 00:35:28,319
fantastic I think it's looking good so

772
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,240
far yeah it's a lot of fun I mean 3d

773
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,640
animation and rendering takes a long

774
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:37,920
time so that's one little five-second

775
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:40,530
clip might take like three hours of

776
00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:43,170
computer time so it's like you know one

777
00:35:48,020 --> 00:35:45,569
little piece at a time and the hardest

778
00:35:51,319 --> 00:35:48,030
part was getting the model set up like

779
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:51,329
getting the the jet models on one of one

780
00:35:56,359 --> 00:35:54,270
of the followers on Facebook was kind

781
00:35:58,790 --> 00:35:56,369
enough to shoot me like 30 bucks so I

782
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:58,800
had to buy a model online it cost like

783
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:01,260
70 bucks and you know so people are

784
00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:03,450
helping out there and getting the

785
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:05,700
modeling done and actually getting the

786
00:36:10,170 --> 00:36:07,930
proper

787
00:36:12,930 --> 00:36:10,180
you know symbols on the jad and the unit

788
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:12,940
numbers and the whole thing has taken a

789
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:15,249
lot of time but once that stuff's done

790
00:36:21,029 --> 00:36:18,970
then actually animating and it's not as

791
00:36:22,829 --> 00:36:21,039
difficult it's kind of fun you know yeah

792
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,839
it looks like it for the most part it's

793
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:23,920
going to be pretty much straightforward

794
00:36:29,910 --> 00:36:27,970
path animation yeah we have that the

795
00:36:33,089 --> 00:36:29,920
other the defense visual Information

796
00:36:35,759 --> 00:36:33,099
Center has public domain footage that's

797
00:36:38,279 --> 00:36:35,769
been filmed by men and women of our

798
00:36:49,329 --> 00:36:38,289
service you know our military service so

799
00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:52,109
this isn't good connection successful

800
00:36:58,329 --> 00:36:56,900
okay okay it seems like we're back it

801
00:37:01,390 --> 00:36:58,339
looks like we had some issues with the

802
00:37:04,209 --> 00:37:01,400
stream unfortunately but we are we are

803
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:04,219
rolling so sorry about that okay

804
00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:08,420
back to normal and let's see oh yeah you

805
00:37:14,890 --> 00:37:10,279
were talking about getting the models

806
00:37:17,849 --> 00:37:14,900
together and doing the animations like I

807
00:37:23,170 --> 00:37:17,859
said you're using a cinema 4d for this

808
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:23,180
that's quite a program I didn't quite

809
00:37:27,009 --> 00:37:24,170
hear that I don't know if we're still

810
00:37:28,479 --> 00:37:27,019
connected but I can tell you that the

811
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:28,489
software that I'm using to do this is

812
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:30,710
you know the Adobe Creative Suite which

813
00:37:35,529 --> 00:37:33,170
is a complete post-production system for

814
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:35,539
added ting and it integrates very well

815
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,369
with the animation package which is

816
00:37:42,190 --> 00:37:39,200
called cinema 4d

817
00:37:45,759 --> 00:37:42,200
that's the 3d animation software I'm

818
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:45,769
rendering in got it and like I said so

819
00:37:51,549 --> 00:37:48,710
far so good so Dave you were telling me

820
00:37:54,009 --> 00:37:51,559
before we went on the air that you have

821
00:37:55,690 --> 00:37:54,019
been involved in the UFOs before you

822
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:55,700
worked for MUFON a little bit

823
00:37:58,809 --> 00:37:57,650
took a little break and with all this

824
00:38:01,259 --> 00:37:58,819
you got back into it

825
00:38:04,150 --> 00:38:01,269
so tell us a little bit more about that

826
00:38:06,279 --> 00:38:04,160
sure yeah

827
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:06,289
you know I've always been very

828
00:38:12,009 --> 00:38:09,440
interested in the phenomenon and you

829
00:38:13,779 --> 00:38:12,019
know from from when I was a teenager you

830
00:38:19,229 --> 00:38:13,789
know I read a lot everything I could get

831
00:38:23,650 --> 00:38:19,239
my hands on about the paranormal UFO UFO

832
00:38:25,959 --> 00:38:23,660
events and so on so you know fast

833
00:38:28,779 --> 00:38:25,969
forward to when I moved to Florida I did

834
00:38:31,390 --> 00:38:28,789
live in New York I grew up there upstate

835
00:38:32,650 --> 00:38:31,400
and when I moved to Florida I wanted to

836
00:38:35,489 --> 00:38:32,660
follow up and get a little bit more

837
00:38:40,180 --> 00:38:35,499
involved so I found out that there was a

838
00:38:43,209 --> 00:38:40,190
mutual UFO network section down here got

839
00:38:45,130 --> 00:38:43,219
involved that little little bit you know

840
00:38:47,049 --> 00:38:45,140
did some studying on their investigative

841
00:38:48,789 --> 00:38:47,059
methods and so I was a field

842
00:38:52,299 --> 00:38:48,799
investigator for a number of years down

843
00:38:55,269 --> 00:38:52,309
here studied a couple of interesting

844
00:39:00,819 --> 00:38:55,279
cases there was one case that involved

845
00:39:03,130 --> 00:39:00,829
like a shiny metallic object that was

846
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:03,140
captured on videotape I'm above and

847
00:39:08,530 --> 00:39:05,560
neighborhood a guy saw this thing and

848
00:39:10,660 --> 00:39:08,540
probably at about I don't know 500 feet

849
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:10,670
away from it at an altitude of maybe a

850
00:39:17,770 --> 00:39:14,930
hundred feet it was going along and we

851
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:17,780
looked at this video and investigated it

852
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:20,330
with air traffic control they had no

853
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:23,810
nothing on radar but what what really

854
00:39:31,030 --> 00:39:27,110
kind of sealed the case is I I had sent

855
00:39:32,770 --> 00:39:31,040
it to dr. Bruce Maccabee who is doing

856
00:39:36,490 --> 00:39:32,780
photo analysis for a move out at the

857
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:36,500
time and I also started noting all of

858
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:38,450
the weather phenomena at the time it

859
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:42,050
appeared that this object was going in

860
00:39:47,620 --> 00:39:44,210
the same direction in speed as the wind

861
00:39:49,660 --> 00:39:47,630
was going so in that particular case we

862
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:49,670
determined that it had to be some type

863
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:52,490
of balloon it didn't really look like a

864
00:39:56,830 --> 00:39:55,190
mylar balloon like the normal kind you

865
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:56,840
see in the store it was sort of

866
00:40:02,220 --> 00:39:58,970
trapezoidal and it had different

867
00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:02,230
sections of it almost like if you had to

868
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:05,240
trapezoid side-by-side and then it was

869
00:40:08,770 --> 00:40:07,400
going along like this so in this one

870
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,780
individual that film that actually had

871
00:40:12,910 --> 00:40:10,400
film a similar event I think up in

872
00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:12,920
Augusta Georgia earlier in his life so

873
00:40:18,730 --> 00:40:14,900
he said it looked like the same type of

874
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,740
object so even though it seemed to be

875
00:40:23,860 --> 00:40:21,200
you know okay this is a prosaic mylar

876
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:23,870
balloon flowing with the wind he kind of

877
00:40:28,540 --> 00:40:25,760
disagreed with without her assessment on

878
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:28,550
that another case that I got involved in

879
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:31,520
my mom actually happened to live in Gulf

880
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:34,130
Breeze Florida and you guys Canton

881
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:37,250
probably know what oh yeah yeah yeah I

882
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:43,490
think UFO flap over there and he had

883
00:40:49,780 --> 00:40:47,240
bought UFO and of course I know that

884
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:49,790
some people believe ed Walters and son

885
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:54,260
oh I don't know I I don't I don't have a

886
00:40:58,150 --> 00:40:56,720
judgment on that you know Wow Wow his

887
00:41:01,780 --> 00:40:58,160
sightings were going on after he wrote

888
00:41:04,450 --> 00:41:01,790
his book the Gulf Breeze sightings there

889
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:04,460
was another UFO that was there and it

890
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:07,190
was a red light UFO and they called it

891
00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:08,930
they nicknamed it Bubba

892
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,080
so this would have been I think this

893
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:13,280
would have been like mid 90s or

894
00:41:16,539 --> 00:41:15,410
something and so I used to go up there

895
00:41:18,789 --> 00:41:16,549
and we

896
00:41:21,939 --> 00:41:18,799
would sky watch it shoreline park and

897
00:41:23,979 --> 00:41:21,949
all these people in the area we would go

898
00:41:25,660 --> 00:41:23,989
there at night with their binoculars of

899
00:41:29,410 --> 00:41:25,670
course I never saw it when I was there

900
00:41:32,349 --> 00:41:29,420
but my mom did see Baba which would

901
00:41:35,049 --> 00:41:32,359
appear over the you know where the bay

902
00:41:38,169 --> 00:41:35,059
this red light and we're just kind of

903
00:41:39,309 --> 00:41:38,179
move slowly I don't they got a lot of

904
00:41:40,539 --> 00:41:39,319
footage of that thing but I don't know

905
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:40,549
that they ever explained what that thing

906
00:41:45,009 --> 00:41:43,130
was but it's kind of nice when you have

907
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:45,019
a predictable UFO you can go someplace

908
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:46,729
and it shows up every night you know

909
00:41:53,289 --> 00:41:50,059
that would be nice yeah very interesting

910
00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:53,299
very interesting case so that's kind of

911
00:41:59,019 --> 00:41:55,910
my you know investigative stuff back

912
00:42:01,779 --> 00:41:59,029
many years ago I got out of the ufology

913
00:42:03,789 --> 00:42:01,789
for a long time didn't follow it but you

914
00:42:05,949 --> 00:42:03,799
know when when the announcement came and

915
00:42:08,469 --> 00:42:05,959
you know maybe three months four months

916
00:42:11,589 --> 00:42:08,479
before that when to the stars CAD me of

917
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:11,599
Arts and Science announced formation of

918
00:42:17,199 --> 00:42:14,630
their group and you know the top level

919
00:42:21,419 --> 00:42:17,209
people the top level government

920
00:42:25,179 --> 00:42:21,429
intelligence aerospace coming together

921
00:42:27,489 --> 00:42:25,189
with Tom DeLonge is just unprecedented I

922
00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:27,499
mean I mean it makes you stand up and

923
00:42:32,349 --> 00:42:31,309
take notice and say you know obviously

924
00:42:34,959 --> 00:42:32,359
they're gonna tell us something

925
00:42:36,759 --> 00:42:34,969
something is coming out and they give

926
00:42:38,620 --> 00:42:36,769
this these videos and they say we don't

927
00:42:41,709 --> 00:42:38,630
know if you know Lois Elizondo who says

928
00:42:43,509 --> 00:42:41,719
we don't know what these are we we want

929
00:42:45,069 --> 00:42:43,519
to know if someone out there can help us

930
00:42:47,370 --> 00:42:45,079
explain what these are that would be

931
00:42:49,630 --> 00:42:47,380
great we don't know what they are so

932
00:42:52,829 --> 00:42:49,640
there's that side of it then there's

933
00:42:55,269 --> 00:42:52,839
well maybe they know what they are and

934
00:42:56,979 --> 00:42:55,279
looking at all of that the whole thing I

935
00:43:00,880 --> 00:42:56,989
just can't aside I don't know if it's

936
00:43:05,759 --> 00:43:00,890
like okay you know Oh back in the 50s

937
00:43:08,829 --> 00:43:05,769
you know we got Nazi technology that we

938
00:43:11,709 --> 00:43:08,839
you know after the war our intelligent

939
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:11,719
operation went into Germany and got all

940
00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:13,249
these scientists and got all their

941
00:43:18,249 --> 00:43:15,400
papers and all the research of the

942
00:43:19,509 --> 00:43:18,259
planes and you know UFOs that they were

943
00:43:21,749 --> 00:43:19,519
building and then we brought it back to

944
00:43:27,579 --> 00:43:21,759
the United States and since then we've

945
00:43:30,550 --> 00:43:27,589
created anti-gravity ships you know the

946
00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:30,560
the Astra and like UFOs that you see

947
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:33,260
our technology because we actually have

948
00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:35,810
secret technology that's anti-gravity

949
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:39,320
stuff that's just speculation you know I

950
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:41,450
don't know that could be true I would

951
00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:44,090
you know I mean what do you guys think

952
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:44,950
about that

953
00:43:51,100 --> 00:43:49,430
well I I think I think there's a real

954
00:43:54,490 --> 00:43:51,110
good chance that we're being visited

955
00:43:58,900 --> 00:43:54,500
that there's there's enough evidence out

956
00:44:01,480 --> 00:43:58,910
there radar tracks corroborating a

957
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:01,490
witness accounts yeah I'm not sure I

958
00:44:06,370 --> 00:44:03,920
believe it was you but then you had at

959
00:44:09,700 --> 00:44:06,380
least five different radar hits on on

960
00:44:12,910 --> 00:44:09,710
this UFO involving the with the Nimitz

961
00:44:15,700 --> 00:44:12,920
case five different ones corroborating

962
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:15,710
what the pilots were saying so I mean do

963
00:44:19,330 --> 00:44:16,970
you guys think it's possible that

964
00:44:22,650 --> 00:44:19,340
there's both that we have this

965
00:44:27,070 --> 00:44:22,660
technology in our you know hands and

966
00:44:29,290 --> 00:44:27,080
there's visitors as well I'm sure that

967
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:29,300
I'm sure we're pretty advanced I'm sure

968
00:44:35,350 --> 00:44:33,410
that we've advanced a long way but I

969
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:35,360
don't think it could and I'm sure some

970
00:44:40,090 --> 00:44:38,480
UFO sightings are our most advanced gear

971
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:40,100
right but I don't think it accounts for

972
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:42,620
all of them right it to me it makes you

973
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:44,690
know like we're gonna we're gonna invest

974
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:46,130
you know billions and billions of

975
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:49,220
dollars in the program like the f-35 you

976
00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:51,770
know advanced fighter you know and all

977
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:54,440
the whole aerospace industry yet Oh back

978
00:44:58,030 --> 00:44:56,540
here we have the Lazar sports model that

979
00:44:59,470 --> 00:44:58,040
were flying around in desert and we're

980
00:45:00,970 --> 00:44:59,480
not going to tell anybody in the

981
00:45:02,770 --> 00:45:00,980
civilian population never gets to use

982
00:45:04,180 --> 00:45:02,780
any of this cool tack that we have it

983
00:45:06,670 --> 00:45:04,190
seems kind of a little far-fetched like

984
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:06,680
that we wouldn't have actually you know

985
00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:08,540
commercialized that in some way but I

986
00:45:15,010 --> 00:45:11,300
don't know on the other hand you know

987
00:45:18,010 --> 00:45:15,020
the whole UFO phenomena the the evidence

988
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:18,020
is overwhelming that you know we're

989
00:45:28,410 --> 00:45:20,240
these things are real people are seeing

990
00:45:33,100 --> 00:45:28,420
them and it goes way beyond then of

991
00:45:37,660 --> 00:45:33,110
discs it goes farther into very very

992
00:45:41,140 --> 00:45:37,670
high strange witness encounters of what

993
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,150
would appear to be aliens you know they

994
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:45,260
throughout you know the last hundred

995
00:45:53,540 --> 00:45:51,690
years we have numerous reports of David

996
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:53,550
you're breaking up a little bit I don't

997
00:46:00,590 --> 00:45:58,980
know if you can hear me yeah okay okay

998
00:46:04,220 --> 00:46:00,600
yeah you're breaking up a little bit

999
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:04,230
James can you hear me okay yeah okay

1000
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:06,090
okay so yeah I think you might be

1001
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:08,130
running into some technical stuff on

1002
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:10,470
your end so I'll tell you what you want

1003
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:14,010
to hang and it looks like a your webcam

1004
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,530
is frozen at the moment no I just saw

1005
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:19,440
you blink so you're okay can you hear me

1006
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:27,230
David yeah you can hear me but I think

1007
00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:29,490
there's an issue on Dave's end

1008
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,150
so whether yeah there was an issue with

1009
00:46:38,570 --> 00:46:35,520
us going now streaming up to YouTube and

1010
00:46:41,110 --> 00:46:38,580
now looks like Dave might be having some

1011
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:41,120
little issues can you hear me okay Dave

1012
00:46:47,420 --> 00:46:45,000
yeah the audio has not broken up coming

1013
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,430
on me and bounced up okay yeah coming

1014
00:46:52,850 --> 00:46:49,200
coming out to our end you were breaking

1015
00:46:54,710 --> 00:46:52,860
up a little bit just is there anything

1016
00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:54,720
that that we missed that we didn't ask

1017
00:46:57,020 --> 00:46:55,470
you about that

1018
00:46:58,700 --> 00:46:57,030
you think you've got that's pretty hot

1019
00:47:02,600 --> 00:46:58,710
and most people probably don't know

1020
00:47:04,610 --> 00:47:02,610
about it no not I mean I love I love

1021
00:47:07,610 --> 00:47:04,620
talking about all of this subject matter

1022
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:07,620
and contemplating it so I don't have any

1023
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,690
I mean the Nimitz case and my little

1024
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:11,880
film is the thing I'm working on you

1025
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,690
know so that's about it okay yeah I

1026
00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:18,420
think it already just for no other

1027
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:20,550
reason the hullaballoo that's surrounded

1028
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:22,830
it it's a top 10 all-time case already

1029
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:26,760
oh yeah yeah I mean the whole thing with

1030
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:31,320
the a tip and the to the stars Academy

1031
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:34,770
and as I understand it the New York

1032
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:37,290
Times is working on another article as

1033
00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:38,250
well right

1034
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:40,710
that's what I've heard so we will see we

1035
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:43,530
will see yeah how that plays out one

1036
00:47:47,150 --> 00:47:45,300
thing they are taking their time about

1037
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,160
it so I'm not gonna hold my breath but

1038
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:49,440
when it does come obviously we'll know

1039
00:47:52,340 --> 00:47:50,670
about it if it's coming out through the

1040
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:52,350
New York Times we won't have to dig for

1041
00:47:57,650 --> 00:47:55,760
that well you know people say this is

1042
00:48:00,289 --> 00:47:57,660
disclosure we're seeing

1043
00:48:03,470 --> 00:48:00,299
the government I'm going is going to

1044
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:03,480
announce to the public that you know we

1045
00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:06,210
are being visited by these crafts and

1046
00:48:10,450 --> 00:48:07,470
these are real I mean they've said that

1047
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:10,460
but how much more they know I don't know

1048
00:48:16,999 --> 00:48:13,980
we won't we will find anything that that

1049
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:17,009
I mean in consequence to all this

1050
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:19,890
surfacing you know the government has

1051
00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:21,720
denied any kind of involvement with UFOs

1052
00:48:26,539 --> 00:48:23,849
since 1969 with the end of Project Blue

1053
00:48:29,749 --> 00:48:26,549
Book this is an on-the-record thing

1054
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:29,759
saying okay you know even though over

1055
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,640
the last I don't know 10 15 years

1056
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:35,220
there's been a ton of petitions trying

1057
00:48:42,140 --> 00:48:39,049
to you know get information about UFOs

1058
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,150
to the government they've denied any

1059
00:48:47,450 --> 00:48:44,480
kind of involvement but this proves that

1060
00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:47,460
there is in fact an inquiry and

1061
00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:49,519
involvement by the US government and

1062
00:48:57,289 --> 00:48:52,980
also the the New York Times reported

1063
00:49:00,559 --> 00:48:57,299
that there were other programs so yeah

1064
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:00,569
I'm a pretty big deal it's a very big

1065
00:49:07,130 --> 00:49:04,410
deal you know and then you you combine

1066
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,140
that with the fact that no one has been

1067
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:10,559
independently able to get the Pentagon

1068
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:13,500
to release anything acknowledging this

1069
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:16,500
program the a tip program or even say

1070
00:49:22,279 --> 00:49:19,319
that Louis a Lozano worked for them they

1071
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,289
haven't found any in fact the I think

1072
00:49:26,450 --> 00:49:24,240
that the public spokesperson said we

1073
00:49:29,539 --> 00:49:26,460
didn't release these videos we didn't

1074
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,549
put these out to the public so you have

1075
00:49:34,430 --> 00:49:31,920
that side of it as well but like you

1076
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,440
said the fact that you know the

1077
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:36,900
government did release these videos

1078
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,119
which I sure would be classified from

1079
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:42,319
these a clear camera systems is really

1080
00:49:47,269 --> 00:49:44,490
incredible and the fact that Louis l is

1081
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,279
Donna the head of that program coming

1082
00:49:52,759 --> 00:49:49,200
out and explaining to everybody how it

1083
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:52,769
worked it's just mind-boggling very

1084
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:55,650
exciting just just to jump in here real

1085
00:50:01,759 --> 00:49:58,890
quick Dave James you got a little piece

1086
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:01,769
of some speculation at least but that

1087
00:50:06,049 --> 00:50:03,690
considering it came from Gary Nolan

1088
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:06,059
who's on the Advisory Board of to the

1089
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,210
stars he's the source on this you got

1090
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:10,960
some information from him

1091
00:50:15,809 --> 00:50:12,970
in terms of how he thinks that in from

1092
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:15,819
those videos might have gotten out so

1093
00:50:19,049 --> 00:50:17,290
I'm not sure if Dave knows this or not

1094
00:50:20,940 --> 00:50:19,059
and I'm not sure a lot of our listeners

1095
00:50:23,819 --> 00:50:20,950
know about it but why don't you share

1096
00:50:27,210 --> 00:50:23,829
that which I'm not sure what you're

1097
00:50:30,390 --> 00:50:27,220
referring to okay yeah Gary Nolan had

1098
00:50:33,059 --> 00:50:30,400
said at one point he thought that they

1099
00:50:35,849 --> 00:50:33,069
were able to get those videos out prior

1100
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:35,859
to their big announced state through

1101
00:50:43,770 --> 00:50:39,630
Freedom of Information Act requests oh

1102
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:43,780
well I think I'm I'm not sure where I

1103
00:50:47,370 --> 00:50:45,369
came from but I heard that they were

1104
00:50:50,250 --> 00:50:47,380
actually previously Declassified they

1105
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:50,260
got them Declassified through the

1106
00:50:56,790 --> 00:50:55,089
Department of Defense in August so or

1107
00:50:59,490 --> 00:50:56,800
they were in the process of getting that

1108
00:51:02,400 --> 00:50:59,500
done right right that that's what they

1109
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:02,410
got a Declassified but I believe Nolan

1110
00:51:08,010 --> 00:51:04,420
had said that it was his speculation

1111
00:51:10,349 --> 00:51:08,020
that it was Declassified and then they

1112
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:10,359
filed for years to get the material out

1113
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:12,700
before the Defense Department got

1114
00:51:17,609 --> 00:51:14,530
bombarded with for years after their

1115
00:51:19,049 --> 00:51:17,619
announcement came up yeah that's that's

1116
00:51:22,559 --> 00:51:19,059
pretty amazing I don't know if we're

1117
00:51:25,230 --> 00:51:22,569
ever gonna hear more about that you know

1118
00:51:26,819 --> 00:51:25,240
it's it's sort of funny that that Lewis

1119
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:26,829
Elizondo and to the star says he'll

1120
00:51:31,380 --> 00:51:29,890
anyone can get this material by

1121
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:31,390
following a freedom of information and I

1122
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:32,950
think we encourage everyone to do that

1123
00:51:38,730 --> 00:51:36,130
but so far no one has gotten even one

1124
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:38,740
sentence that acknowledges the program

1125
00:51:45,059 --> 00:51:42,910
even existed from the Pentagon but the

1126
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:45,069
the fact that the New York Times said

1127
00:51:50,849 --> 00:51:48,010
that they did I think the New York Times

1128
00:51:54,510 --> 00:51:50,859
is one of the most trusted journalistic

1129
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:54,520
high ethical you know newspapers the

1130
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:56,079
fact that they printed the story to me

1131
00:52:03,630 --> 00:51:59,920
says they had evidence presented to them

1132
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:03,640
that they vetted and found it to be true

1133
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:05,650
so anyone can say anything they want

1134
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:07,450
that this program didn't really exist

1135
00:52:13,890 --> 00:52:11,530
and it's all like fabricated but the

1136
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:13,900
fact that New York Times says it did I

1137
00:52:19,319 --> 00:52:16,569
have to believe that they saw the

1138
00:52:22,109 --> 00:52:19,329
evidence but Harry Reid has gone on the

1139
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:22,119
record saying that yeah he was involved

1140
00:52:25,170 --> 00:52:24,130
he's the one who got the the program

1141
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:25,180
started

1142
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:29,049
yeah the New York Times Leslie Kane said

1143
00:52:34,349 --> 00:52:31,599
that she personally saw the

1144
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:34,359
documentation proving that these videos

1145
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,730
were Declassified that by the Department

1146
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:38,880
of Defense and that is no question

1147
00:52:43,710 --> 00:52:41,529
the New York Times was satisfied with

1148
00:52:48,569 --> 00:52:43,720
the documentation proving both the

1149
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:48,579
program existed and that the videos were

1150
00:52:53,460 --> 00:52:51,010
indeed Declassified but the Department

1151
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:53,470
of Defense right they she saw the chain

1152
00:52:57,720 --> 00:52:55,930
of custody and said that the individual

1153
00:52:59,609 --> 00:52:57,730
that provided this is not going to be

1154
00:53:01,349 --> 00:52:59,619
named and they are not going to be

1155
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:01,359
providing that evidence to the public

1156
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:06,430
that's their source so yeah okay so what

1157
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:08,410
you say the only other I was gonna say

1158
00:53:15,019 --> 00:53:11,049
one more thing the only other nuance to

1159
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,029
this is that you have the two names the

1160
00:53:21,769 --> 00:53:18,400
advanced aerospace for identification

1161
00:53:24,450 --> 00:53:21,779
program and the the advanced aviation

1162
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,460
identification program that that has a

1163
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:26,319
lot of people confused as well and that

1164
00:53:29,130 --> 00:53:27,520
you know they said that's interfering

1165
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:29,140
they're trying to FOIA both of them they

1166
00:53:34,049 --> 00:53:31,839
can't get anything yeah that's right and

1167
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:34,059
I think one of the investigators

1168
00:53:38,700 --> 00:53:36,130
Greenwald I think that he said his

1169
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,710
contact at the office of Secretary of

1170
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:41,440
Defense told him personally that you

1171
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:43,900
know they had the name wrong and you

1172
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:46,240
know that's why something to that effect

1173
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:51,900
but I presented with Lewis Elizondo on

1174
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:55,359
camera saying hey there's been some

1175
00:53:59,339 --> 00:53:56,710
confusion about the name of the program

1176
00:54:02,430 --> 00:53:59,349
I want to clarify that and this is the

1177
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:02,440
guy that ran the program saying yeah the

1178
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:05,460
name is advanced aerospace threat

1179
00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:08,770
identification program so he said it I

1180
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:11,020
don't know why unless he's covering

1181
00:54:15,930 --> 00:54:12,329
something I don't know why you would lie

1182
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:15,940
yeah all right well let's s switch over

1183
00:54:20,450 --> 00:54:18,160
into something that I've been looking at

1184
00:54:22,740 --> 00:54:20,460
for a little while but it certainly died

1185
00:54:25,170 --> 00:54:22,750
certainly fits in with what dave has

1186
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:25,180
been doing trying to dig in and find out

1187
00:54:30,359 --> 00:54:27,880
more about a completely different aspect

1188
00:54:34,049 --> 00:54:30,369
of all this which is the meta materials

1189
00:54:36,329 --> 00:54:34,059
I've been looking at materials research

1190
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:36,339
and advancement since World War two not

1191
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:37,930
since World War two I'm not quite that

1192
00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:38,730
all I'm getting up

1193
00:54:48,290 --> 00:54:46,320
not that old but when they you look at

1194
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:48,300
the materials advancement that we've

1195
00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:51,450
gone through from not long after the

1196
00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,310
Roswell crash it's been a very

1197
00:54:56,750 --> 00:54:55,140
interesting subject and one of the

1198
00:54:59,270 --> 00:54:56,760
things that that was brought up as a

1199
00:55:03,590 --> 00:54:59,280
result of the time story and some other

1200
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:03,600
comments made by mr. Ellison now there

1201
00:55:09,859 --> 00:55:06,690
are these materials that are being

1202
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:09,869
studied and a lot of people are looking

1203
00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:12,930
for them through for your requests and

1204
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,380
such but the reality is this is a kind

1205
00:55:19,390 --> 00:55:18,240
of this is a study that's been going on

1206
00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:19,400
for quite some time

1207
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:26,220
including fragments from crashes or just

1208
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,440
pieces that have dropped off or been

1209
00:55:34,460 --> 00:55:31,680
ejected from UFOs and that's been going

1210
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:34,470
on for decades and a lot of people don't

1211
00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:37,170
necessarily realize this that just

1212
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:39,300
because TTS a is talking about it

1213
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:41,490
doesn't mean that this study has

1214
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:44,520
involved the UFO has involved the

1215
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:47,100
government at all so if the government

1216
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:48,660
never had the material in the first

1217
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:51,060
place to study it then obviously a

1218
00:55:55,820 --> 00:55:52,890
4-year request is not going to do you

1219
00:56:00,500 --> 00:55:55,830
any good and this all sort of began

1220
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:00,510
around maybe a week a week to ten days

1221
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:05,250
after the initial Times story Gary Nolan

1222
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:08,070
is a member of my facebook group and

1223
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:13,050
what he did basically was just give us

1224
00:56:16,670 --> 00:56:14,640
he must have had a little bit of free

1225
00:56:19,540 --> 00:56:16,680
time in between semesters whatever the

1226
00:56:23,150 --> 00:56:19,550
case may be is working away at Stanford

1227
00:56:28,370 --> 00:56:23,160
you know trying to save kids lives with

1228
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:28,380
that cancer cures and looking at the the

1229
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:35,460
DNA of not not an et from Peru and also

1230
00:56:42,740 --> 00:56:39,030
working with the CTSA also conducting a

1231
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,750
study on experiencers with kit Green so

1232
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:44,880
he's got a lot of irons in the fire but

1233
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:46,410
he didn't have enough time to do a real

1234
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:48,780
quick sort of ask me anything at my

1235
00:56:54,820 --> 00:56:52,010
Facebook group and he talked a good

1236
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:54,830
about the metamaterials and how the

1237
00:57:02,590 --> 00:56:58,720
isotopic ratios are different than

1238
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:02,600
anything that you know that we have here

1239
00:57:05,830 --> 00:57:03,230
on earth

1240
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:05,840
so it's a very interesting subject and

1241
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:07,970
of course he went as far as he could in

1242
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:11,570
the real brief am a nobody you ask some

1243
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:14,210
questions including me really and looked

1244
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:16,370
into it all that carefully so maybe the

1245
00:57:20,530 --> 00:57:17,840
questions were a little bit superficial

1246
00:57:23,350 --> 00:57:20,540
but as I've continued to dig in I have

1247
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:23,360
found that this type of research has

1248
00:57:30,340 --> 00:57:27,770
been going on for some time and there's

1249
00:57:33,250 --> 00:57:30,350
a paper from Peter Sturrock that he

1250
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:33,260
wrote I can't pin down the paper but the

1251
00:57:38,530 --> 00:57:36,470
most recent citation in the paper goes

1252
00:57:42,340 --> 00:57:38,540
back to the late 90s so I'm guessing it

1253
00:57:45,940 --> 00:57:42,350
was a 2000 that may be very late 90s or

1254
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:45,950
a 2000 the early 2000s he wrote a paper

1255
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:49,130
about that Jacques Vallee did a full

1256
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:52,160
hour-long presentation about it at the

1257
00:57:56,650 --> 00:57:54,290
contact in the desert conference last

1258
00:57:58,540 --> 00:57:56,660
year none of these things have really

1259
00:58:00,880 --> 00:57:58,550
gotten a lot of attention or they've

1260
00:58:03,070 --> 00:58:00,890
kind of fallen by the wayside over the

1261
00:58:07,210 --> 00:58:03,080
years but I've been covering it a little

1262
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:07,220
bit and what and at my website I've got

1263
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:10,370
the original AMA with dr. Noland and

1264
00:58:16,660 --> 00:58:13,970
also have added to it and compiled in

1265
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:16,670
that one article the updates as I found

1266
00:58:23,050 --> 00:58:19,760
additional material so what I've got is

1267
00:58:25,690 --> 00:58:23,060
I as far as I know the best compilation

1268
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:25,700
of material related to the meta

1269
00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:28,370
materials and so I've got that over

1270
00:58:33,100 --> 00:58:31,100
there you can find the link to that at

1271
00:58:35,980 --> 00:58:33,110
our page on YouTube if you're watching

1272
00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:35,990
the YouTube video now or just go to UFO

1273
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:41,030
partisan doctor blog spot.com it's very

1274
00:58:46,090 --> 00:58:43,250
easy to find once you do that but

1275
00:58:51,180 --> 00:58:46,100
basically what vallei covered in his

1276
00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:51,190
presentation was some details and let me

1277
00:58:56,740 --> 00:58:54,140
update the slide here and basically

1278
00:58:59,590 --> 00:58:56,750
there there's a whole list of possible

1279
00:59:03,130 --> 00:58:59,600
et materials some of them he's been able

1280
00:59:05,740 --> 00:59:03,140
to study some of them he has not a one

1281
00:59:08,470 --> 00:59:05,750
of them was actually

1282
00:59:10,410 --> 00:59:08,480
in the hands of Ned's which is I believe

1283
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:10,420
the National Institute for discovery

1284
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:14,090
sciences that is Bigelow's organization

1285
00:59:20,370 --> 00:59:17,960
he has not been able to study that but

1286
00:59:24,099 --> 00:59:20,380
I'm gonna assume that they acquired that

1287
00:59:26,470 --> 00:59:24,109
privately through through their research

1288
00:59:28,570 --> 00:59:26,480
at the skinwalker ranch there are some

1289
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:28,580
others possibly something was recovered

1290
00:59:34,330 --> 00:59:31,490
in Aurora Texas velay doesn't have

1291
00:59:37,630 --> 00:59:34,340
access to that something related to the

1292
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:37,640
1952 DC UFO incident it doesn't have

1293
00:59:42,609 --> 00:59:40,250
access to that what he does have access

1294
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:42,619
and he spends a lot of time on is the

1295
00:59:50,410 --> 00:59:47,810
material discovered in Brazil back in

1296
00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:50,420
the late night well the incident took

1297
00:59:54,940 --> 00:59:52,609
place in the 1930s and goes back that

1298
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:54,950
long but the material became available

1299
01:00:00,790 --> 00:59:58,010
for study in the 1950s and the Valais

1300
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:00,800
goes into some detail about that and

1301
01:00:07,570 --> 01:00:04,090
also he cites a paper written by

1302
01:00:10,060 --> 01:00:07,580
Professor stork like I said roughly 2000

1303
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:10,070
give or take and in that paper a

1304
01:00:16,180 --> 01:00:13,910
professor stearic concludes as far as

1305
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:16,190
one can tell from analysis carried out

1306
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,410
to date there was no case for believing

1307
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:20,960
that the Brazil magnesium specimens had

1308
01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:23,300
an extraterrestrial origin on the other

1309
01:00:28,359 --> 01:00:26,150
hand and has not proved possible to

1310
01:00:30,730 --> 01:00:28,369
identify where the material was produced

1311
01:00:33,010 --> 01:00:30,740
and throughout the paper what he does is

1312
01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:33,020
he goes through all the different tests

1313
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,089
that were run on it how he acquired

1314
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:37,760
samples from different countries to

1315
01:00:44,140 --> 01:00:41,690
compare this to is this just the way

1316
01:00:45,730 --> 01:00:44,150
they process this magnesium differently

1317
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:45,740
in these other countries that could

1318
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:48,050
cause it to have that different isotopic

1319
01:00:52,930 --> 01:00:51,050
ratio so there's a lot of detail like I

1320
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:52,940
said at the website a link to the full

1321
01:00:59,260 --> 01:00:56,050
paper the full hour-long valais

1322
01:01:00,760 --> 01:00:59,270
presentation on the matter these guys

1323
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:00,770
are the scientists they do it a lot

1324
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:02,930
better than I do for me to sit here and

1325
01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:05,690
explain it it's a little bit outside my

1326
01:01:10,540 --> 01:01:08,839
weight class but you've got a good two

1327
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:10,550
maybe even three hours of entertainment

1328
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:13,040
if you watch the entire video and read

1329
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,930
through the paper as far as bringing

1330
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:17,119
yourself up to date but the main point

1331
01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:18,010
is that I want to

1332
01:01:23,940 --> 01:01:21,460
is that a lot of people are are thinking

1333
01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:23,950
because TTS a is talking about

1334
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:26,710
metamaterials oh it was necessarily

1335
01:01:32,370 --> 01:01:30,070
related to the 8a program that is not

1336
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:32,380
entirely the case they may have some

1337
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:34,330
different materials that the military

1338
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:36,190
discovered that is certainly possible

1339
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:39,850
but it's also certain that some of those

1340
01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:43,680
materials have been always had been and

1341
01:01:49,860 --> 01:01:47,500
in private hands and never in the hands

1342
01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:49,870
of the United States government so I

1343
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:52,180
think that's really key and as a result

1344
01:01:57,150 --> 01:01:54,370
of that of course that is the type of

1345
01:01:58,770 --> 01:01:57,160
thing that all the FOIA requests in the

1346
01:02:00,600 --> 01:01:58,780
world no matter how well-written they

1347
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:00,610
are are not going to be of any

1348
01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:03,040
assistance because again the

1349
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:05,080
government's not involved in this at all

1350
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:07,030
it's a completely private

1351
01:02:12,030 --> 01:02:09,370
it hasn't been privatized it was always

1352
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:12,040
private and that's kind of the key there

1353
01:02:18,750 --> 01:02:16,690
I think yeah and you know it's pretty

1354
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:18,760
interesting too that Tom DeLonge he

1355
01:02:23,850 --> 01:02:21,490
mentioned something about aiming

1356
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:23,860
terahertz at and the material gaining

1357
01:02:30,300 --> 01:02:27,250
lift and that that's provable yeah

1358
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:30,310
supposedly from what I have heard that

1359
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:32,950
was something that was suggested by how

1360
01:02:35,610 --> 01:02:34,570
put off I don't know if that's correct

1361
01:02:38,850 --> 01:02:35,620
or not

1362
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:38,860
that's obviously something that happened

1363
01:02:43,260 --> 01:02:41,530
well apparently so I shouldn't say

1364
01:02:45,260 --> 01:02:43,270
obviously apparently something that

1365
01:02:47,820 --> 01:02:45,270
happened though well after professor

1366
01:02:50,070 --> 01:02:47,830
Asterix paper it might relate to

1367
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:50,080
materials that were not studied that

1368
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:54,450
weren't part of the yuba tuba incident

1369
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:57,370
that that is a little unclear we're not

1370
01:03:02,070 --> 01:02:58,930
can't be a hundred percent sure about

1371
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:02,080
that but what is sure like I said is

1372
01:03:08,190 --> 01:03:05,890
that these materials do exist and this

1373
01:03:11,340 --> 01:03:08,200
type of study and this find that the

1374
01:03:13,590 --> 01:03:11,350
isotopic ratios are different than what

1375
01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:13,600
we're generally familiar with in normal

1376
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:17,140
manufacture of these kind of alloys that

1377
01:03:23,370 --> 01:03:20,530
is significant yeah I have a question

1378
01:03:26,220 --> 01:03:23,380
nor you know in the New York Times

1379
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:26,230
article they mentioned that Bigelow

1380
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:29,010
Aerospace had actually constructed

1381
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:31,810
buildings to house these materi

1382
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:34,480
so I guess my understanding from what

1383
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,450
you said is that you know Bigelow

1384
01:03:41,130 --> 01:03:39,520
Aerospace has some materials but then

1385
01:03:43,290 --> 01:03:41,140
and there's other materials that are

1386
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:43,300
being studied by other scientists as

1387
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:44,680
well it's not they don't have all of

1388
01:03:49,950 --> 01:03:47,230
them in other words right exactly it's a

1389
01:03:53,690 --> 01:03:49,960
the the whole thing is not that mutually

1390
01:03:57,590 --> 01:03:53,700
exclusive and apparently this is this

1391
01:04:01,110 --> 01:03:57,600
difference in the isotopic ratios is

1392
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:01,120
something of a common thread at least

1393
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:03,270
that's what it seems to be at this point

1394
01:04:10,350 --> 01:04:06,850
yeah in I kind of briefly looked at that

1395
01:04:14,190 --> 01:04:10,360
your your website on you know the UFO

1396
01:04:16,110 --> 01:04:14,200
partisan comm website and it said that

1397
01:04:18,660 --> 01:04:16,120
anyone reading this material wanting to

1398
01:04:21,870 --> 01:04:18,670
understand it should try to get a basic

1399
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:21,880
understanding of what it I see topes are

1400
01:04:25,590 --> 01:04:24,160
otherwise it kind of goes up your hat it

1401
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:25,600
was kind of like a little confusing so

1402
01:04:29,940 --> 01:04:27,730
I'm gonna have to take a look at you

1403
01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:29,950
know go back to high school chemistry or

1404
01:04:34,650 --> 01:04:31,870
whatever and it does get better it gets

1405
01:04:38,010 --> 01:04:34,660
dense in a hurry and it does put some

1406
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:38,020
people off but again I think the key

1407
01:04:43,530 --> 01:04:40,690
here is that a lot of this material is

1408
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:43,540
not necessarily in the hands of TTS a

1409
01:04:48,300 --> 01:04:45,490
just because they're familiar with it

1410
01:04:51,750 --> 01:04:48,310
doesn't mean they have it they may have

1411
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:51,760
some they certainly do not have all but

1412
01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:54,490
I think that's about where we're at at

1413
01:04:58,320 --> 01:04:56,200
the moment on this and you know

1414
01:05:00,960 --> 01:04:58,330
obviously yeah we'll look to find out

1415
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:00,970
more and I know we've got Stanton

1416
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:03,550
Friedman coming on next month certainly

1417
01:05:07,890 --> 01:05:05,440
he's got the physics background he was a

1418
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:07,900
working physicist before he got into the

1419
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:11,680
UFO research full-time so he'll know

1420
01:05:16,380 --> 01:05:12,970
this stuff he'll know this stuff pretty

1421
01:05:18,420 --> 01:05:16,390
well but this is this is not necessarily

1422
01:05:19,950 --> 01:05:18,430
for the casual observer you do have to

1423
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:19,960
dig in a little bit more for this type

1424
01:05:26,220 --> 01:05:23,920
of thing yeah absolutely and I wanted to

1425
01:05:28,350 --> 01:05:26,230
bring up that there is also a video out

1426
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:28,360
there in YouTube that I believe Linda

1427
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:31,030
Moulton Howe presented on what what are

1428
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:34,330
known as the arts parts and again these

1429
01:05:40,830 --> 01:05:37,690
have been discussed for a long time they

1430
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:40,840
were an honest anonymously shipped to

1431
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:43,930
you to them I guess art Bell you know

1432
01:05:48,789 --> 01:05:45,910
God rest his soul in Linda

1433
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:48,799
first study and in the in the paper that

1434
01:05:53,319 --> 01:05:51,049
went with the Saint was saying that my

1435
01:05:56,259 --> 01:05:53,329
grandfather worked for the Army Air

1436
01:05:59,079 --> 01:05:56,269
Corps and he was part of a crash

1437
01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:59,089
recovery team and he got this what I

1438
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:02,720
would call metamaterial and so he wanted

1439
01:06:07,420 --> 01:06:05,150
you know who he wanted to be anonymous

1440
01:06:09,220 --> 01:06:07,430
and he sent these two to these UFO

1441
01:06:12,910 --> 01:06:09,230
researchers so there's some controversy

1442
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:12,920
about it you know I started a thread

1443
01:06:18,579 --> 01:06:15,529
talking about out of it and lo and

1444
01:06:20,529 --> 01:06:18,589
behold a scientist that actually studied

1445
01:06:22,390 --> 01:06:20,539
these parts shows up in my conversation

1446
01:06:24,370 --> 01:06:22,400
which kind of blew me away and start

1447
01:06:28,029 --> 01:06:24,380
saying oh yeah I studied these these are

1448
01:06:31,390 --> 01:06:28,039
arts parts you know there's not a lot of

1449
01:06:35,289 --> 01:06:31,400
special properties to them but one thing

1450
01:06:38,620 --> 01:06:35,299
to remember the the parts that they had

1451
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:38,630
these meta materials were magnesium

1452
01:06:48,279 --> 01:06:46,609
bismuth well there's something and

1453
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:48,289
supposably we don't have the

1454
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:49,970
manufacturing capabilities to create

1455
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:52,880
that type of layering but you know you

1456
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:55,160
can go out there and see that film and

1457
01:06:58,089 --> 01:06:56,390
the PowerPoint she does is very

1458
01:07:00,640 --> 01:06:58,099
interesting yeah

1459
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:00,650
we will off to take a look at that we

1460
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:02,420
will have to see how this plays out I do

1461
01:07:07,450 --> 01:07:05,210
know that people have been looking at

1462
01:07:09,370 --> 01:07:07,460
different materials thinking maybe

1463
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:09,380
they've got something they spent a

1464
01:07:13,989 --> 01:07:12,170
pretty nice chunk of money on getting it

1465
01:07:17,410 --> 01:07:13,999
researched and a lot of times it comes

1466
01:07:20,170 --> 01:07:17,420
back well you know it's weird but this

1467
01:07:23,259 --> 01:07:20,180
was made on earth and obviously then you

1468
01:07:25,150 --> 01:07:23,269
get to other situations where they're

1469
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,160
taking a look at it and they can't

1470
01:07:29,410 --> 01:07:27,680
figure out who made this stuff and if it

1471
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:29,420
wasn't made here on earth well then

1472
01:07:35,640 --> 01:07:32,329
obviously you're left with only one

1473
01:07:43,269 --> 01:07:39,519
yep that's true so okay we have lost

1474
01:07:44,979 --> 01:07:43,279
James so if I could do this let me we'll

1475
01:07:46,749 --> 01:07:44,989
wrap up here I don't really have

1476
01:07:48,579 --> 01:07:46,759
anything more like I said the main thing

1477
01:07:51,309 --> 01:07:48,589
is I want to point people over to the

1478
01:07:53,979 --> 01:07:51,319
site and get the full details from the

1479
01:07:56,589 --> 01:07:53,989
best sources but we've lost James so let

1480
01:07:59,440 --> 01:07:56,599
me end with you really quick and if

1481
01:08:01,840 --> 01:07:59,450
because what I can't do it unfortunately

1482
01:08:06,850 --> 01:08:01,850
through Skype is to recall James I have

1483
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:06,860
to end our call and then and and then oh

1484
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:08,630
you're back you're back what happened

1485
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:11,450
and I cut it I got cut out in and out a

1486
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:13,610
few times when um when Dave was talking

1487
01:08:18,810 --> 01:08:15,770
got it okay so you're still with us aa

1488
01:08:22,300 --> 01:08:18,820
day James do you have anything else

1489
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:22,310
no no that's about it okay David do you

1490
01:08:27,370 --> 01:08:24,650
have anything else for us no I think

1491
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:27,380
that you know it was really enjoyable

1492
01:08:31,300 --> 01:08:29,330
talking to you guys and explained what

1493
01:08:33,490 --> 01:08:31,310
I'm doing it's a very exciting time it's

1494
01:08:35,020 --> 01:08:33,500
fantastic obviously yeah we'll be

1495
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:35,030
staying in touch so when you got some

1496
01:08:40,210 --> 01:08:38,000
new stuff obviously we'd be more than

1497
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:40,220
happy to have you back we've got our

1498
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:42,710
guest lineup coming up any old time if

1499
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:44,180
you wanted to jump in and ask a few

1500
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:46,670
quick questions either jump on board

1501
01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:49,430
live or I get them to me we'll get them

1502
01:08:58,510 --> 01:08:52,760
answered for you and I think we had a

1503
01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:58,520
successful number to show great well

1504
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:00,650
thank you very much guys thanks for

1505
01:09:04,870 --> 01:09:02,510
listening everybody we'll be back next

1506
01:09:07,150 --> 01:09:04,880
week Steve Bassett is going to be our

1507
01:09:09,340 --> 01:09:07,160
guest next week so we'll have a lot to

1508
01:09:12,580 --> 01:09:09,350
talk about with Steve so I have a great

1509
01:09:13,150 --> 01:09:12,590
day three hours from opening faceoff

1510
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:13,160
time

1511
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:17,600
let's go flyers Africa to what everybody